Curse

lyra_song · Sep 06, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by broodijzer

I think people use sundering and fortitude to show off. It's way cooler to ctrl click and "I'm wielding a sunering fellblade of fortitude" than a "I'm wielding a furious fellblade of defense", isnt it?

No. Vampiric would show some sense.

Niether of those two mods are as good as their prices seem to indicate.

Ole Man Bourbon · Sep 06, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by broodijzer

I think people use sundering and fortitude to show off. It's way cooler to ctrl click and "I'm wielding a sunering fellblade of fortitude" than a "I'm wielding a furious fellblade of defense", isnt it?

Apparently to the sheep. To me however, this screams, "I am a noob and we are probably gonna fail the mission cause I don't know shit about aggro contol nor dealing or taking damage." It's usually a harbinger of that fearsome tinkling sound--Mending.

unienaule · Sep 06, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

LOL "That fearsome tinkling sound--Mending." Quote of the week.

Silver_Fang · Sep 06, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

That's the key - certain situations.
However, for situations where you'll be facing degeneration or other armor-ignoring damage, the +30 health is better.

30HP is 1.5 sec for a -10 degen. +5 armor is vs all armor, and +7 is either physical or elemental.

+30 HP can withstand Armor ignore damge for 1 more sec.

Jetdoc · Sep 06, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Silver_Fang

30HP is 1.5 sec for a -10 degen. +5 armor is vs all armor, and +7 is either physical or elemental.

+30 HP can withstand Armor ignore damge for 1 more sec.

Would your monk rather have that second to infuse you or not?

Why do you think the HoD axe goes for in excess of a million, just for a measley +25 health?

Anyways, there's a million threads on this, so let's get back on topic.

boxterduke · Sep 06, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I would like to add that 20/20 mods are crap and everyone with a sound mind will change that mod.
I got a 15>50 fell that has 20/19 on it and changed it for furious 10%.

If you need to use a mod then use something like furious or zealous.

But I guess 20/20 still brings lots of people so ...

lyra_song · Sep 06, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I told this to my guildie last night:

The price of an item can be high because:
1) An item is rare (hard to find) and desirable
2) An item is extremely useful stats and desirable.
3) People are stupid

i think 3 is the most applicable in most situations.

Yichi · Sep 07, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

3) People are stupid

END OF THREAD

eternal pho · Sep 07, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I don't even use sundering at all. It's not a good idea to mod your rare weapon with a sundering mod.

CalypsoX · Sep 07, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Some generalizations I'm going to make:

People who read the forums and fan sites generally know about theses things: why sundering sucks, why +30 vs. +5 is debatable, etc. etc. However, these people are in the MINORITY, and the rest who play the game either don't care or too lazy to look stuff up and learn.

These people have no clue what a "weapon swap" is (-1 health regen, -1 energy regen, "oh my"), and go with the mentality that bigger is better (20/20 > 3/-1 > 1/-1, 30 > 7 > 5, right?). Unless the game itself actually shows the information (like in a tutorial or something) or we start a massive "Learn to play the game" information campaign, the situation won't change.

And complaining/posting on forums doesn't really help that much since as is plainly obvious, the people who read them already know about these things

.

YunSooJin · Sep 07, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

people trashing sundering and vampiric are retarded

if you had half a clue you'd realize each of these mods are scary/effective in their own timeframes.

LifeInfusion · Sep 07, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by broodijzer

I think people use sundering and fortitude to show off. It's way cooler to ctrl click and "I'm wielding a sunering fellblade of fortitude" than a "I'm wielding a furious fellblade of defense", isnt it?

If someone spam anything with sundering prefix I laugh to myself. It means they aren't knowledgable about the way sundering works and its mediocrity compared to other mods like vampiric and zealous.

Mynghul · Sep 07, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Also note that the +dmg that you get from skills (Eviscerate, Executioner's Strike, etc) is armor-ignoring. And +30 gets better when you have morale, whereas +5 stays the same.

Using sundering is a gamble. The argument for it is, would you rather have the current lightning orb that deals 100 dmg and always hits, or one that does 500 dmg and hits 1/5 of the time? If sundering activates during an adren spike on an attack skill, its a guaranteed kill, but the chance of it doing so is small enough to make sundering not worth it imo.

Gun Pierson · Sep 08, 2006, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by CalypsoX

And complaining/posting on forums doesn't really help that much since as is plainly obvious, the people who read them already know about these things

.

I think you're joking but just in case you're not:

First of all I'm not complaining, I'm informing and that's what forums are also about.

If they know about those things why do I see average items with those upgrades getting price checked in the pc forum then?

You made the step to visit this forum too at one time didn't you? The guru site is known amongst players, price checks etc. And the word gets passed on.

The Herbalizer · Sep 08, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Nothing annoys me more than people who put expensive mods on weapons. Not everyone wants 20/20 sundering or +30Hp.

Anway people need to read this.

Xavier Lightstone · Sep 08, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Surely this means that the decent mods are cheaper, and all the nubbers spend phat cash on stuff I don't want? Please, llamas, keep buying overpriced mods!

falling demon · Sep 08, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

i never mod anything unless im going to use it myself, like my zealous gothic dual axe of defense (req 8, 15^50, simply because i'm not in a stance or enchanted enough)

i'm SO glad i hadn't sold it to the merchant when i got it (from a drop) i'd have killed myself when i found out gothic dual axes, 15^50 and req 8 were some of the most desirable things around @_@

but then, ive customized it, i shalt never sell thy 1337n355 w3p z0mfgz.
what DOES annoy me is when someone is looking for a BLANK weapon (because they want to mod it) but wont buy your EXACT SAME WEAPON, but with mods, because 'its got crappy mods' dude you can mod OVER them :s

by the way, does anyone know if i should sell or salvage:
Zealous Jade Daggers of Fortitude
Zealous 1/-1
max dmg, req 9, 15/enchanted
fortitude+30hp

not sure if one of the mods would sell better than the daggers emselves

Gun Pierson · Sep 08, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by falling demon

by the way, does anyone know if i should sell or salvage:
Zealous Jade Daggers of Fortitude
Zealous 1/-1
max dmg, req 9, 15/enchanted
fortitude+30hp

not sure if one of the mods would sell better than the daggers emselves

I would salvage because I pc the weapon 5-10k (may even overrate), the skin is not rare and the inherent mod is not that fancied. Also people can find rare skin 15^50 daggers for 15-25k. Both zealous and fortitude mod will sell for a higher price than the daggers emselves and will be sold a lot faster. zealous 10-15k, fortitude 20-30k.

Russell.Crowe · Sep 08, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

This is not always the case... I know this since I have done it on rare skinned weapons and have been offered more for it than when it was unmodded simply because it had the right mods.

BTW sundering is useful in certain situations like spiking... if you hit them with that Evis and happen to get the 20%, it hits like a ton of bricks

That being said, I prefer the furious for at least gaining the adren

Gun Pierson · Sep 08, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Russell.Crowe

This is not always the case... I know this since I have done it on rare skinned weapons and have been offered more for it than when it was unmodded simply because it had the right mods.

Imo you got lucky you found someone who wanted that skin and those mods and had no problem to pay for them.